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Hold onto your sanity, because Dark City is the Greatest Movie EVER!

Click on the Bluray cover or the title above to download our review of the film, featuring guest hosts

Daryl Surat of AnimeWorldOrder and Mike Toole of Anime News Network.

Review in a Nutshell: Few works of cinematic speculative fiction deserve the word ‘visionary’ to describe their aesthetic. Dark City is one such film, although Paul deducts a few points for the bombastic nature of the movie’s conclusion.

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  1. Ryan Drouillard says:

    Daryl Surat on a non-action movie podcast, you just blew my mind!

    Anyway, I don’t have much to say except that I love this movie. However, I’m surprised no one metioned the creepy-ass kid alien/tuner, that kid creeps me out.

    P.S This movie used to be on Netflix streaming (in Canada ayway) so it may come back for you cheapos out there

    P.S. II Rufus Sewell was very good in the Pillars of the Earth miniseries. Buy it and support the Canadian/German film industry (that makes movies about English history)

  2. Antho42 says:

    What I find interesting about the film is that there is a possibility that the city dwellers do not know anything about Earth. How can they get to Earth if they do not know anything about it?

    Furthermore, the protagonist effectively becomes God at the end of the film. Will he tell the whole truth the city dwellers, or will he continue to let them live in their allegory of the cave/ Matrix predicament

    I also see some similarities with the anime, The Big O, which is also good.

  3. edmund says:

    I like Mike’s mention of Disney’s 3 Musketeers movie, I love that flick! Me and my Dad used to watch it all the time.

  4. timeliebe says:

    Don’t think I’ve seen the Director’s Cut of DARK CITY – OTOH, I remember liking the saw quite a bit…even if it was directed by the guy responsible for Brandon Lee’s death….

  5. DensityDuck says:

    To Daryl’s point about Director’s Cut versus Theater Cut: To reference “The Matrix” again, imagine if Morpheus’s infodump speech from the middle of the movie had instead been put as a voiceover right at the beginning.

  6. Jung-ho says:

    I think it’s a little harsh to say Alex Proyas was responsible for Brandon Lee’s death. If you really wanted to make him feel bad, all you need to say is: “Everything you made after Dark City, and by some accounts, before.”

  7. timeliebe says:

    Jung-Ho – I don’t think it is, actually. Proyas is the one who sent the Armorer home (or let the Producer do it) to save a few bucks in the budget when he knew he had a scene using live weapons scheduled. As somebody who’s worked on low low budget movies, we were usually really careful to make sure the Armorer and Fight Choreographer stayed on-set if there was any chance we’d get to a gun or fight scene.

    I’m amazed he didn’t get tried for Negligent Homicide under the circumstances. I’m sure Proyas feels guilty as Hell about it now – but that isn’t bringing Brandon Lee back, is it…?

  8. Jung-Ho says:

    Interesting. I didn’t know that. That’s my knee-jerk to jump to the defense of Mr. Proyas, who once said that he makes movies so infequently because he’s waiting for just the right script. (No kidding)

  9. antho42 says:

    Speaking of Rocky Horror, De Palma’s Phantom of the Paradise would make a great Greatest Movie Ever film.

  10. timeliebe says:

    PHANTOM…. would probably make a better Greatest Movie Ever than ROCKY HORROR, which has been done pretty much to death – especially by nonfans. I was a huge ROCKY HORROR fan in college and it still holds a warm spot in my heart, but I’ve read too many articles and blog posts, and heard too many podcasts, done by people who don’t get why it’s such a huge cult hit and think it’s really stupid.

    PHANTOM…. is a brilliant, subversive and not very well known music business satire/horror fantasy done with real verve by Brian DePalma. I think Paul and co-host could get into a smart discussion of it because there wouldn’t be the cultural phenomenon that they’re not a part of to set their teeth on edge….

  11. Thomas Pandich says:

    Just listening to the podcast right now, and I hear that my wife has never seen Dark City AND I DIDN’T KNOW THIS?!? Paul, my marriage is falling apart 😦

  12. timeliebe says:

    And…. having listened to this entire podcast, despite your having Surat as one of your co-host? I really think you shouldn’t do ROCKY HORROR, Paul – it’s not your kind of movie, and I don’t think your disinterest would yield any fresh insights.

  13. timeliebe says:

    Thomas – it’s an easy fix, b/c the BluRay’s $9.02 on Amazon.

    Paul – Rufus Sewell starred in the US version of the television series THE 11TH HOUR, played the title character in the BBC mystery series ZEN, and was the insane Hapsburg prince in THE ILLUSIONIST. He’s been around….

  14. Daryl Surat says:

    “Daryl Surat on a non-action movie podcast, you just blew my mind!” — I was last on here reviewing The FP which is not an action movie, thanks for the vote of confidence

    “having listened to this entire podcast, despite your having Surat as one of your co-host” — jeez, I say one time that I don’t care about the entire fantasy genre and I’m branded anathema

  15. timeliebe says:

    AND insulted my wife in the process, so your dittoheads would pile on in lockstep, Surat!

    I’ve demanded an apology for that which you’re too arrogant to give – Tammy’s of the opinion that you’re Just Not Worth The Trouble, but to me it’s the principle of the thing….

  16. Daryl Surat says:

    timeliebe: Hold on a second! All I remember insulting was the cover art to a book I never heard of in which the person illustrated appeared to look more like a Best Buy employee than a fantasy hero, to which you said “we have no say over the cover art to the book” at which point it was revealed “oh okay, you guys wrote this book.” This is my mind means that I’m not insulting either of you, but whoever the artist was. Like my role model Norman Osborn, I’m not going to apologize for thinking that cover was goofy because I believed that sincerely.

    However, anything else other than that I don’t remember, so I’ll apologize for whatever those were. If this is “not good enough” or “too arrogant” or “not worth the trouble,” you’re going to have to spell things out for precisely what you’re looking for because I only need vocally speak when recording podcasts on account that I only physically see other people a few times a year, for a few hours each time. All of my other interactions are conducted just like this: text between boxes.

  17. timeliebe says:

    @Surat – thank you for that.

    As for the cover art – well, yes, that’s been a long-standing bone of contention between Tammy and some of her publishers, who end up chasing current trends rather than being true to what the story itself is about. Few writers have the power to actually dictate what cover art looks like – “giving an author input on covers” means they send the author a rough, and when s/he points out that it’s not true to the story or the characters don’t look a thing like that the editor says “Oh, but our Market Research tells us these covers will make your book sell huge!” – and then they blame the author when the books with those covers tank.

    One of the best things about eBook self-publication is that an author has a lot more control over his/her cover art – of course, the author also has to secure that art somehow, which can be a pain. I shudder to think of what cover art a publisher like Simon & Schuster or HarperCollins would have given Paul for his collections PORN GNOMES or SAQSQUATCH RIDES A HARLEY….

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